Suns, Eric Bledsoe Far Apart In Talks

[Mainstreet]

not related at all. 48 million guaranteed is a HUGE amount for a CB in a league where salaries aren't guaranteed. there's literally no comparing NFL contracts to NBA contracts.

Maybe different sports but Peterson earned it over three seasons and Bledsoe is only riding the coattails of a partial good season with the Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe different sports but Peterson earned it over three seasons and Bledsoe is only riding the coattails of a partial good season with the Suns.

I get your point. PP played in 16 games last season and was rewarded with 48 million guaranteed, Eric played in 43 games so he should get a little over 100 Million?

They are different sports and different situations. PP is getting the highest contract ever for a cornerback, we've offered Bledsoe an annual salary that would make him the 41st highest paid player. I think both deals are generous and neither player has actually earned their deal. PP comes much closer but both of them are being paid for what they are expected to do, not what they've done.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

I wonder how being part of Lebron's "inner circle" is effecting this whole situation. Its the same agent and the guy only represents a handful of players. Do they expect preferential treatment because they're part of "The King's" entourage? IMO the Lebron association is factoring into this situation.

I think it is factoring in because Rich Paul, LeBron's agent, thinks he is good just because he represents LeBron. But the guy is a hack and does not know what he is doing. He has no business in the business.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I get your point. PP played in 16 games last season and was rewarded with 48 million guaranteed, Eric played in 43 games so he should get a little over 100 Million?

They are different sports and different situations. PP is getting the highest contract ever for a cornerback, we've offered Bledsoe an annual salary that would make him the 41st highest paid player. I think both deals are generous and neither player has actually earned their deal. PP comes much closer but both of them are being paid for what they are expected to do, not what they've done.

Steve

PP has also established himself as one, if not the top player in the league at his position, which happens to be a premier position in the league.

Bledsoe has not established himself as one of the top players at his position. He HAS established that he has an injury history. He is not even the best player on his own team (like PP clearly is right now).

JUst when you start getting optimistic about a team, some player and agent pull this crap.

 

[AzStevenCal]

PP has also established himself as one, if not the top player in the league at his position, which happens to be a premier position in the league.

Bledsoe has not established himself as one of the top players at his position. He HAS established that he has an injury history. He is not even the best player on his own team (like PP clearly is right now).

JUst when you start getting optimistic about a team, some player and agent pull this crap.

He and Larry get the most pub, I'm not convinced either of them is the best player on the team. Peterson has the ability to be special but purely as a corner, he's yet to play to that level IMO. Still, he's come closer to earning his paycheck that Eric has.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

He and Larry get the most pub, I'm not convinced either of them is the best player on the team. Peterson has the ability to be special but purely as a corner, he's yet to play to that level IMO. Still, he's come closer to earning his paycheck that Eric has.

Steve

OK. Best player not suspended.

 

[devilalum]

OK. Best player not suspended.

Players that never play because they're perpetually under suspension are not good players.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe different sports but Peterson earned it over three seasons and Bledsoe is only riding the coattails of a partial good season with the Suns.

can't argue too much with that, but NBA contracts are almost always doled out based on potential, especially with young guys who seem like they can be major impact players. and right now, it looks like Bledsoe has that ability based on how we played with and without him and the fact that before the season, we were picked to be the worst team in the league.

 

[JCSunsfan]

can't argue too much with that, but NBA contracts are almost always doled out based on potential, especially with young guys who seem like they can be major impact players. and right now, it looks like Bledsoe has that ability based on how we played with and without him and the fact that before the season, we were picked to be the worst team in the league.

Potential to be a good player, vs. potential to be perpetually injured. Seems to me that 4/48 is a contract more in Eric's favor rather than the teams. And NBA contracts are guaranteed.

The answer to all this nonsense is to do away with guaranteed contracts.

 

[mojorizen7]

Players that never play because they're perpetually under suspension are not good players.

+1
Same goes for players who can't stay healthy year in and year out.

 

[Absolute Zero]

http://www.csnnw.com/topic/eric-bledsoe

According to league sources, an “ominous development” has arisen with sides still “very far apart” in contract negotiations. It has even escalated to the point where the “relationship is on the express lane to being ruined,” a source with knowledge of the situation informed CSNNW.com.

Sounds like agent propaganda and gamesmanship to me.

So what happens if no deal is reached? Do the Suns have to trade him, or does he have to come back for one more year?

 

[Mainstreet]

http://www.csnnw.com/topic/eric-bledsoe


Sounds like agent propaganda and gamesmanship to me.

So what happens if no deal is reached? Do the Suns have to trade him, or does he have to come back for one more year?

Some of the options are:

*Bledsoe accepts the Suns offer of 4 years, 48 million.

*The Suns provide Bledsoe a new offer and he accepts.

*Bledsoe plays out the season with the Suns only receiving the qualifying offer of $3.7 million, then he becomes a free agent.

*He sits out the season and becomes a free agent receiving nothing this season (unlikely).

*There is mutual agreement between Bledsoe and the Suns to a sign and trade.

 

[Budden]

http://www.csnnw.com/topic/eric-bledsoe



Sounds like agent propaganda and gamesmanship to me.

So what happens if no deal is reached? Do the Suns have to trade him, or does he have to come back for one more year?

Doesn't your reaction kind of lend credibility to the claim? I mean, someone coming out of Bledsoe's camp says the relationship is really being strained, and you have hold their camp in such low regard that you suspect it's propaganda. But if you held them in higher regard, you wouldn't suspect propaganda so readily, would you?

Sarver's Suns are a feeder team for the rest of the league. This has been the case since the Joe Johnson debacle. Which, by the way, this situation is becoming more and more similar to.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Some of the options are:

*Bledsoe accepts the Suns offer of 4 years, 48 million.

*The Suns provide Bledsoe a new offer and he accepts.

*Bledsoe plays out the season with the Suns only receiving the qualifying offer of $3.7 million, then he becomes a free agent.

*He sits out the season and becomes a free agent receiving nothing this season (unlikely).

*There is mutual agreement between Bledsoe and the Suns to a sign and trade.

Isn't he still a restricted free agent if he does this?

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Isn't he still a restricted free agent if he does this?

Steve

I didn't think so but I would like clarification myself.

 

[devilalum]

The Suns have said all along that they would match but they never said they wouldn't listen to any sign and trade possibilities. Why didn't his crack agent ferret out a sign and trade deal? I seriously doubt any team would give him a 5/80 contract and if he had signed a contract with some other team the most he could have got would have been something like 4/65.

This is just stupid. Bledoe's agent is apparently an idiot.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

http://www.csnnw.com/topic/eric-bledsoe



Sounds like agent propaganda and gamesmanship to me.

So what happens if no deal is reached? Do the Suns have to trade him, or does he have to come back for one more year?

I agree it is agent propaganda. It is always amazing how quick the relationship between the player and franchise is repaired once a contract is signed.

Also I think his agent is obviously new to the game. You keep airing this kind of crap to the media and it will make it very difficult to negotiate with NBA GM's in the future.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns have said all along that they would match but they never said they wouldn't listen to any sign and trade possibilities. Why didn't his crack agent ferret out a sign and trade deal? I seriously doubt any team would give him a 5/80 contract and if he had signed a contract with some other team the most he could have got would have been something like 4/65.

This is just stupid. Bledoe's agent is apparently an idiot.

Maybe his agent has been unable find a sign and trade to the Suns liking. Only the Suns can offer Bledsoe a 5 year 80 million dollar contract. Other teams can only offer Bledsoe a 4 year max contract unless there is a sign and trade by the Suns. The Suns have the option to match any offer sheet.

 

[Chaz]

Isn't he still a restricted free agent if he does this?

Steve

I didn't think so but I would like clarification myself.

To summarize, a restricted free agent essentially has five options:

He can accept his prior team's qualifying offer, play for one season, and become a free agent again the following summer.

He can accept his prior team's maximum qualifying offer (if applicable, and if one has been submitted) and play under a long-term contract at the maximum salary.

He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer.

He can sign an offer sheet with another team through March 1, which his prior team is given the opportunity to match.

If he doesn't sign a qualifying offer, a contract, or an offer sheet for one year, his prior team can submit a new qualifying offer (or maximum qualifying offer), and the player becomes a restricted free agent again the following offseason.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

 

[Mainstreet]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

Good stuff. Thanks for posting it.

 

[devilalum]

Maybe his agent has been unable find a sign and trade to the Suns liking. Only the Suns can offer Bledsoe a 5 year 80 million dollar contract. Other teams can only offer Bledsoe a 4 year max contract unless there is a sign and trade by the Suns. The Suns have the option to match any offer sheet.

If they had any offer at all they would have leaked it to the press.

 

[Mainstreet]

If they had any offer at all they would have leaked it to the press.

I don't think so because the Suns official stance has been they will match any offer and they want to keep Bledsoe. I think if we here of a sign and trade for Bledsoe it will be close to a done deal.

However, (IMO), the Suns and Bledsoe are likely in a sign and trade mode but they can't find the right trade.

 

[devilalum]

I don't think so because the Suns official stance has been they will match any offer and they want to keep Bledsoe. I think if we here of a sign and trade for Bledsoe it will be close to a done deal.

However, (IMO), the Suns and Bledsoe are likely in a sign and trade mode but they can't find the right trade.

What team is going to risk 5/80 for Bledsoe AND give up assets. And I don't think he can get 5/80 if its a sign and trade. Didn't the new CBA lower the max a player can get in this situation? I know the intent was to discourage sign and trades.

 

[AzStevenCal]

What team is going to risk 5/80 for Bledsoe AND give up assets. And I don't think he can get 5/80 if its a sign and trade. Didn't the new CBA lower the max a player can get in this situation? I know the intent was to discourage sign and trades.

Yeah, the 5th year isn't available for sign and trades.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

Yeah, the 5th year isn't available for sign and trades.

Steve

So the most he can get somewhere else is about 4/60?

How about they meet halfway at 4/54?