The merged "Suspension" thread

[Suns_fan69]

I did not see any fight. I did see Horry slam Nash into the scorers table and Horry elbow Raja in the face.

Regardless to what happens to Amare and Diaw, this is the main reason why I think Horry should get suspended. Raja came up real close but didn't really do anything while Horry started using his elbows to clear him away. At least that's my interpretation from watching the a short replay (wishing I had tivo right about now...)

 

[Gee!]

You know I just watched ESPN and they barely mentioned Stoudemire/Diaw coming off the bench. Those damn tnt bastards blew this up like the Kennedy Assasination, ernie johnson/kenny smith may have cost us.

Or, since the NBA saw what TNT was doing they called ahead to ESPN to tell them not to make a big out of it so it wont get much attention.. Seeing as though ESPN has a TV contract for NBA games, they followed intstructions.. ESPN has had to do things like this before with their Playmakers series and the NFL..

 

[scoutmasterdave]

They should not be suspended because there was no fight. No fight no rule about not leaving the bench. No punches were thrown. No rules broken.

There was no "fight", but there was definitely an "altercation". The rule says "altercation".

 

[Covert Rain]

and what the "immediate vicinity of their bench" is.

That will be the definition of the day tomorrow.

 

[slinslin]

- they were in the vicinity of their bench except Stoudemire
- Stoudemire was getting ready to check in at the same time evidenced by him taking off his warmups while getting off the bench
- there was no altercation when Diaw or Amare stepped on the court that only took place after Nash got up and went at Horry and Bell protected him while Horry was throwing forearms/elbows at Rajas face

- Suspend Horry for 1 game for the foul and 1 game for the forearms, that should be it.

 

[Suns_fan69]

You know, on second thought, why would they be suspended at all? The rule doesn't apply, because there was no fight.

The official rule doesn't depend on a fight breaking out, it's worded to include 'altercations', which this clearly is.

 

[elindholm]

I just watched it again on TiVo, since I still have it recorded. Stoudemire comes to the scorer's table, but he's looking at Nash the entire time. He does stray part way on to the court, but he's not even looking at Horry or any of the Spurs. Since there was no "altercation" in the immediate vicinity of the fallen Nash, I really don't think there's much of a case for a suspension.

I'll go on record and say that I'll be shocked if either Stoudemire or Diaw is suspended. The whole point of the rule is to discourage players from joining the fracas, not on checking whether their MVP teammate is okay.

 

[Gee!]

Typically the league will suspend for one game on a flagrant 2. I can't remember one in the past two years that didn't.
It is their history in the playoffs and they are pretty consistent with that.

As for the altercation, Just the flagrant 2 and the players coming together like that is technically an altercation.

I think Stoudemire will probably be suspended because he came out on the court but Diaw never left the sideline.

Plus it would totally fit the mold here. Spurs player commits a "dirty" play and the Spurs end up benefiting from it.

This pic clearly shows Amare holding everyone back and not going to the melee.. Boris is behind him..

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[TucsonDevil]

I believe that the league can make a case for Amare that he was checking back in... he therefore is not suspended. However, Diaw will be.

That is my guess.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

once again it doesn't matter if they were involved in the altercation, intended harm, just checking on someone, etc

if there is an altercation and you leave the bench - even a little bit - you get suspended - regardless of why you left the bench

the league has been pretty firm about this with very little room for reason

an altercation happened and it looks like stoudemire left the bench - it would be a stretch but they may be able to show that he wasn't aware of the altercation and just wanted to get in after the foul - hence taking off the warmups

the league would be taking a step they don't usually take if they do rule this - but I think it would be warranted - even though amare wouldn't check in before the FT

 

[clif]

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"There was no fight here today. He held them back in the vicinity of their bench. No suspension will be neccesary. Carry on"

 

[TheHopToad]

At the time that Amare and Boris "left the bench", there was no "altercation" yet. They were reacting to Nash being fouled and laying on the court. The "altercation" happened afterwards when Nash got up and Raja got in Horry's face. By that time, both Amare and Boris were herded back to the bench.

No issue, no suspension. Play ball!

 

[Gee!]

Imma post this pic till everyone sees it lol..

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[clif]

once again it doesn't matter if they were involved in the altercation, intended harm, just checking on someone, etc

if there is an altercation and you leave the bench - even a little bit - you get suspended - regardless of why you left the bench

the league has been pretty firm about this with very little room for reason

an altercation happened and it looks like stoudemire left the bench - it would be a stretch but they may be able to show that he wasn't aware of the altercation and just wanted to get in after the foul - hence taking off the warmups

the league would be taking a step they don't usually take if they do rule this - but I think it would be warranted - even though amare wouldn't check in before the FT

No but he would be heading to the scorer's table as he was doing.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

At the time that Amare and Boris "left the bench", there was no "altercation" yet. They were reacting to Nash being fouled and laying on the court. The "altercation" happened afterwards when Nash got up and Raja got in Horry's face. By that time, both Amare and Boris were herded back to the bench.

No issue, no suspension. Play ball!

if you look at that picture the altercation is going on - javie is yelling at them to stay back AND amare is on the court - the altercation was in force

i hope the only one suspended is horry - but it would be a different direction (not necessarily a bad one) for the league

 

[Evil Ash]

once again it doesn't matter if they were involved in the altercation, intended harm, just checking on someone, etc

if there is an altercation and you leave the bench - even a little bit - you get suspended - regardless of why you left the bench

the league has been pretty firm about this with very little room for reason

an altercation happened and it looks like stoudemire left the bench - it would be a stretch but they may be able to show that he wasn't aware of the altercation and just wanted to get in after the foul - hence taking off the warmups

the league would be taking a step they don't usually take if they do rule this - but I think it would be warranted - even though amare wouldn't check in before the FT

If they follow the rule to the letter then yes they will get suspended.

Of course as we all know the league is very strict on enforcing rules. I mean nobody gets away with traveling, staying 3 seconds in the lane, or physical contact.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Gee, you realize that picture shows Ivie HOLDING AMARE BACK, right? that's even more of an indictment.

we're screwed for Game 5 - but Game 6 is gonna be a war.

 

[SO91]

Gee, you realize that picture shows Ivie HOLDING AMARE BACK, right? that's even more of an indictment.

we're screwed for Game 5 - but Game 6 is gonna be a war.

I don't see a hold there, unless he's a Jedi Master

 

[hsandhu]

Gee, you realize that picture shows Ivie HOLDING AMARE BACK, right? that's even more of an indictment.

we're screwed for Game 5 - but Game 6 is gonna be a war.

Actually, if you look, in that pic amare has his hands out pretending to hold others back.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

they have been on this one for a long time though - the strictness has been complained about before and the league has take a Stern stance

 

[Chaz]

Well Diaw never left the sideline so I am not sure why he would be suspended.

Now in the picture the ref is telling everyone to stay back and that is when both players returned to the bench.

Here's hoping it is not the case but I think MO is right, judging by past incidents, Stoudemire will probably be suspended.

 

[Covert Rain]

I am used to the Suns getting screwed so I expect nothing less then Amare and Diaw to get suspended.

 

[Gee!]

Gee, you realize that picture shows Ivie HOLDING AMARE BACK, right? that's even more of an indictment.

we're screwed for Game 5 - but Game 6 is gonna be a war.

No it doesnt.. It looks like Ivaroni is trying to jump over Amares back.. Look at Amares hands.. Look at Amares heels.. No ones heels would be looking like that if they were getting pulled back.. But on the flip side someones heels would look like that if they were getting shoved forward..

 

[Gaddabout]

I am used to the Suns getting screwed so I expect nothing less then Amare and Diaw to get suspended.

My brother-in-arms. I'll have my sword ready to fall on sometime next week. I'll save you a spot to die with me.

 

[mribnik]

I am used to the Suns getting screwed so I expect nothing less then Amare and Diaw to get suspended and Nash getting fined for denting the scorers table.

Fixed.