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Hardy Brown

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I thought I'd pass along a few humble observations in regard to Cardinals training camp:

1) The defensive-line is the deepest position on the team and, if healthy, might be the strength of this team. The starting four look good but it's the back-ups that caught my eye!

Kenny King is a football player. His "freak" injuries have set him back but he's a football player. Before it's all said and done, he may replace Okeafor as the LDE.

After three-days, Langston Moore is the most impressive lineman in camp. He's a little butterball and reminds me of Warren Sapp - quick feet, good hands and has the motor of a '57 Chevy. This guy is killin' folks right now.

Antonio Smith is playing like his very life depends on it and people are noticing. Along with Moore, he is routinely ruining people and looks like the real deal when rushing the passer. The Cards will use him in 3rd and Obvious situations, replacing a defensive-tackle, to rush the passer.

The young guns, Gabe Watson and Jonathan Lewis, have done some good things as well. Watson won't help the Cards increase their sack total but he is a load to move - a real-life space-eater. Lewis rushes the passer better but has had some mental lapses, jumping offsides fairly often. He'll learn.

Although the Cards say they're going to simplify their running game, only using a few running plays, they installed a counter-trap (using their stretch-play action) and a toss (blocked the same as their outside-zone play). It is my sincere hope they stick to their original plan and don't make the same mistake they did last year: trying to combine zone-schemes with power-schemes. Why don't people see the beauty Alex Gibbs has created in Denver and Atlanta? Simply amazing...

Calvin Pace looks great, making plays all over the field, holding up at the point-of-attack. The Cardinals defensive coaches are ecstatic with what they've seen from him. Moving Dansby to WLB may happen sooner than I thought. Clancy believes offenses will not be able to block him with a back which makes him, from the offensive point-of-view, a down-lineman. The Cards can call their defense of 4-3, but it's really a five-down if the offense blocks Pace with an OT. And this creates problems for the center, placing him on an island in most protections. Not good...

Gerald Hayes may be the best tackler on the team in terms of delivering a blow. James Darling is a valuable reserve and I think it's only a matter of time before he's demoted.

Leonard Pope blocked better this morning than he has the last couple of days but he's going to struggle here. He needs to fill out a little more and get in the weight-room.

Deuce Lutui is not ready. His set is poor and he misses often on the stab which gets his feet all messed up. Do not panic, but unless something happens over the next couple of weeks he will not be ready to contribute this year.

Milford Brown is strong, powerful and has a good, strong stab. His feet look a tad slow but he's locked down a couple of solid lineman more than once. In my opinion, he needs a solid offensive-tackle playing next to him. Will this happen? One can only guess. But I am encouraged...

Marcel Shipp has to be number two...

Fred Wakefield was having a very good camp until defenders started to bull-rush him. He must play lower.

The Edge looks great, of course. If you have a chance to see him up close, look at the thickness of his lower body. It is no mystery why he breaks tackles.

All-in-all, not bad right now...not bad.
 

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Thanks!!!


how much longer are you gonna be in Flag?
(seeing how many more training camp posts you are gonna make :D)
 

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Great info Hardy, can we interest you in replacing one of our Cardinal Outsiders?
 

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Good info, Hardy. I really can't wait to see Pace in the preseason if he can play that S/OLB effectively it will take the D to a new level. My one concern is his coverage. I would like us to see us run Cover 3s with Wilson playing over the TE to account for this. We could vary it by bringing Wilson into the Box and then dropping him. Pace and Antonio Smith were two players who really really impressed me last year and I hope they can carry over and expand on that this year.
 

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Interesting and informative. Thanks for posting your observations and insights.
 

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Hardy Brown said:
Deuce Lutui is not ready. His set is poor and he misses often on the stab which gets his feet all messed up. Do not panic, but unless something happens over the next couple of weeks he will not be ready to contribute this year.

Milford Brown is strong, powerful and has a good, strong stab. His feet look a tad slow but he's locked down a couple of solid lineman more than once. In my opinion, he needs a solid offensive-tackle playing next to him. Will this happen? One can only guess. But I am encouraged...

Fred Wakefield was having a very good camp until defenders started to bull-rush him. He must play lower.
I'm a bit surprised over Lutui, since he was regarded as very polished coming out of college. I guess it just shows that you cannot count on rookie O-linemen contributing.

Good news about Milford. I was nervous that we overpaid for this guy. In what way do you feel he needs a solid OT next to him? Pass-blocking? Run-blocking? Both?

Your comments on Wakefield pretty much fits what I thought of his play last year. I really think Wakefield could be a solid back-up player, but he plays too high. He doesn't get punished for it in pass-protectin, because his height and long arms makes up for it, BUT he losses leverage in his run-blocks. That's why I think he's more a LT than RT.

I'm not surprised that DL is one of the strongest position. An All-pro DE in Barry and two above-average starters in Okeafor and Clancy teamed with very talented players in their 3rd and 4th year and a couple of rookies. A great mix.
 

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Great info since I cant make it to camp like I did last year I always have this board to fall back for info keep it coming :)
 

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Hardy Brown said:
Gerald Hayes may be the best tackler on the team in terms of delivering a blow. James Darling is a valuable reserve and I think it's only a matter of time before he's demoted.
This is music to my ears. Darling is servicable, and doesn't really hurt us too much, but isn't a dynamic presence in the middle. I hope Hayes can be that guy.
 

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Now that's the kind of info we'll kill for. Nice job.

Note - When I read Hardy's comment about Milford Brown needing a solid RT playing next to him, my first reaction was "ooops!"
 

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Solid report, Hardy!

Thanks.

BTW - how has the defensive secondary looked?
 

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Who is taking the most snaps at RT today?
 
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Great write-up Hardy, thanks!!!

Doesn't look like I will make it to Flag this year and I am jonesin' for some football action. The 12th of Aug. won't come soon enough!

Given your comments about the DL, I couldn't help but wonder about Dockett???
 

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Any word on Blackstock? Haven't heard a peep about him this offseason. Wondering how he's progressed...
 

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Wow, Excellent report!

I wish I could skip out on work and make it up to Flag but that just can't happen. At least with reports like yours I know I'm getting some of the best information out there.

You really know your stuff. If you ever decide to write an article, send it to me or one of the other mods and we will post it on the front page.

Thanks again for the excellent information. I look forward to more of your camp reports!
 

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Hardy: Outstanding report. You've been a superb addition to this board. Your eye for talent and your football knowledge are first-rate. What is your background?

I too would appreciate hearing more about the WRs and the DBs...the ones I'm most curious about: WRs McCoy, Holiday, Watkins, Spurlock, Walters, Lee, and Bilbo....DBs McCariens, Reid, Hunter, Wyatt, Harrell, Francisco and Shazor.

What's your impression of speedy LB Brandon Johnson?

Thanks, man...great stuff...
 

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Hardy Brown said:
Kenny King is a football player. His "freak" injuries have set him back but he's a football player. Before it's all said and done, he may replace Okeafor as the LDE.

Gerald Hayes may be the best tackler on the team in terms of delivering a blow. James Darling is a valuable reserve and I think it's only a matter of time before he's demoted.

I can't wait to see both of these guys healthy!

I think King has potential to be a stud and I believe that he would have gave Dockett a run for his money if King hadn't hurt his wrist again last year.

I was really high on Hayes going into training camp last season. Losing him to IR really last year was a major blow. This guy is a baller and I think he will greatly help with stopping the run.

It's great to have both of these guys back on the field.
 

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I was at camp yesterday afternoon and I will post some (very amateur) thoughts and pics tonight, but I will say this...Edge is a force in the locker room. He was one of the first ones to walk past the gates where we fans were waiting and had a trail of players behind him. It might sound silly, but he emmits this Darth Vaderish aura (in a good way) and his persona really shines through. I think he has this team finally believing that all 52 guys will be winners.
 

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Hardy or abomb,

I do have one thing I want you to report on. There have been a lot of articles lately implying the the Cardinals coaching staff isn't pleased with Dansby's effort. I think that Jeremy Green was the first one to report this. I personally find them hard to believe and think Dansby is one of the better players on the team.

What have you seen from Dansby at training camp? Are the coaches riding him hard? Does he appear to be a leader out there?

Any info on the subject would be great! Thanks!
 
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MadCardDisease said:
There have been a lot of articles lately implying the the Cardinals coaching staff isn't pleased with Dansby's effort. I think that Jeremy Green was the first one to report this.
On the contrary, I believe that Jeremy Green has been the only one to "report" this... All the others have simply been reiterating Green's comment.
 
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