With the 4th pick, the Phoenix Suns Select

[ASUCHRIS]

Ellenson has a little Zach Randolph to his game...sneaky midrange/post game. Not much verticality, but a lot of guile.

The decision between a guy like Ellenson and Bender is kind of interesting. Bender seems to have a higher ceiling but doesn't seem as safe a pick.

Getting either Ellenson/Bender with our first pick, and either Chriss/Labissiere with our 2nd pick would seem to be a great way to try and fill our massive hole at PF.

 

[slinslin]

Ellenson over Chriss would be mindboggling.

 

[Sunburn]

I watched film of Ellenson and his feet are stuck in cement. He is going to get destroyed on the pick and roll in the NBA. I would permanently damage facepalm myself if we took him at 4.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't think the Lakers will make the playoffs but I'd bet they will be drastically improved next year.

They just axed the worst coach in the NBA and will also no longer have one of the league's worst players jacking up 17 shots on 34% shooting every night. Those two factors alone will probably increase their win total by 10 or more.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I watched film of Ellenson and his feet are stuck in cement. He is going to get destroyed on the pick and roll in the NBA. I would permanently damage facepalm myself if we took him at 4.

I think it's risky to watch these scouting videos and draw ironclad conclusions. With any player, you can find game evidence to support almost any strength or liability you choose. If you describe him as slow footed, you then show clips that support that point. But what we don't know is how often that happens and how big of a deal it is.

I've read the "heavy footed" comments but when you watch him move in the videos that show his strengths, he doesn't look all that slow. But yes, it's clear he lacks lateral quickness. And I hate the fact he tends to take the ball the length of the court rather than use the pass. But I'd love to hear from Marquette fans that watched his every game to find out how they feel about his overall impact. To me, using a scouting video to gauge a player's game is akin to selecting a movie based on a trailer. I do both of those things but I end up regretting it all too often.

 

[elindholm]

They just axed the worst coach in the NBA and will also no longer have one of the league's worst players jacking up 17 shots on 34% shooting every night. Those two factors alone will probably increase their win total by 10 or more.

But remember, even if they increase their win total by 10, they'll still be terrible. They won only 17 games this past season. A 20-win improvement would be enormous and would still leave them, most likely, far out of the playoff picture.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't think the Lakers will make the playoffs but I'd bet they will be drastically improved next year.

They just axed the worst coach in the NBA and will also no longer have one of the league's worst players jacking up 17 shots on 34% shooting every night. Those two factors alone will probably increase their win total by 10 or more.

that gets them to 27 wins... which is still atrocious. And Luke is so wet behind the ears, it's gonna take him at least a year to figure out what the hell he's doing... with common street trash on the roster to boot.

 

[SO91]

that gets them to 27 wins... which is still atrocious. And Luke is so wet behind the ears, it's gonna take him at least a year to figure out what the hell he's doing... with common street trash on the roster to boot.

What if they trade that #2 pick for a guy like Paul George? Hell that #4 pick is not looking too great right now. I'd love him here with Bledsoe and Booker, but not likely to happen.

 

[overseascardfan]

Ok. Is Ellenson any better than Leuer or Len? I
am not being sarcastic.

Much better than Leuer (more skills), more healthier than Len (Len is a C, Ellenson is a stretch 4 who can play C in a small ball lineup).

Ellenson over Chriss would be mindboggling.

Chriss is an athlete who has no offensive or defensive awareness, a subpar defensive rebounder, lacks discipline (foul prone) and has the dreaded inconsistent motor label.

He maybe quick and agile but he will get beaten up in the post and has a very average standing reach 8'9 for a PF. I would much rather prefer Deyonta Davis than Chriss.

I watched film of Ellenson and his feet are stuck in cement. He is going to get destroyed on the pick and roll in the NBA. I would permanently damage facepalm myself if we took him at 4.

Did you see him running the floor and handling the ball in the video? He isn't a fast twitch athlete, I'll give you that but people had the same reservations about Kevin Love. Love may not be an elite defender but he is a very good stretch 4 whom is a monster on the boards. That is what kind of PF we need in our lineup.

 

[slinslin]

Much better than Leuer (more skills), more healthier than Len (Len is a C, Ellenson is a stretch 4 who can play C in a small ball lineup).



Chriss is an athlete who has no offensive or defensive awareness, a subpar defensive rebounder, lacks discipline (foul prone) and has the dreaded inconsistent motor label.

He maybe quick and agile but he will get beaten up in the post and has a very average standing reach 8'9 for a PF. I would much rather prefer Deyonta Davis than Chriss.



Did you see him running the floor and handling the ball in the video? He isn't a fast twitch athlete, I'll give you that but people had the same reservations about Kevin Love. Love may not be an elite defender but he is a very good stretch 4 whom is a monster on the boards. That is what kind of PF we need in our lineup.

Ellenson a stretch 4? Because he shoots 30% from college 3?

 

[GatorAZ]

Philly would jump at the opportunity to take Hield or Murray at #4. Obviously they'll keep #1 but how bout #4 for #24/#26 and the better of the Laker/76er pick next year?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ellenson a stretch 4? Because he shoots 30% from college 3?

No, it's because he has good mechanics and scouts project him as a floor spacing forward at the next level. I don't know if they're right but that seems to be the thinking of all the reports I've come across. And you don't have to shoot 3's to space the court, long 2's will do it too. Unfortunately it's a very low percentage play in the NBA and Ellenson appears to be fond of it.

 

[overseascardfan]

Ellenson a stretch 4? Because he shoots 30% from college 3?

Philly would jump at the opportunity to take Hield or Murray at #4. Obviously they'll keep #1 but how bout #4 for #24/#26 and the better of the Laker/76er pick next year?

I think PHX is more interested in dealing picks this year rather than acquiring more. If a team is willing to deal a good player and take #4 as part of the package then I can see McD considering that.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think PHX is more interested in dealing picks this year rather than acquiring more. If a team is willing to deal a good player and take #4 as part of the package then I can see McD considering that.

Colangelo is thinking the same thing. I do not think Philly wants more picks. He wants some young but proven players.

 

[Mainstreet]

The thing with the Suns trading the #4 pick, the Celtics will be all over trading the #3 pick right before them.

 

[thephoenixson28]

Think we can nab Blake Griffen for the # 4 pick + Brandon Knight and Someone else

 

[AzStevenCal]

Think we can nab Blake Griffen for the # 4 pick + Brandon Knight and Someone else

I would say it's doubtful unless the "Someone else" is Booker or someone we don't have under contract.

 

[Sunburn]

I think Knight's trade value is overestimated on this board. I'm not even sure another team would want him, let alone be willing to part with a valuable asset for him. We have the number 4 pick in a 2 player draft. While I think the number 4 pick is a more valuable trade asset than Knight, I'm not sure this package is all that attractive.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think Knight's trade value is overestimated on this board. I'm not even sure another team would want him, let alone be willing to part with a valuable asset for him. We have the number 4 pick in a 2 player draft. While I think the number 4 pick is a more valuable trade asset than Knight, I'm not sure this package is all that attractive.

Knight has value. Just like Kieff had value. Even though many on this board insisted he had none. Maybe some insist Knight has more value than he does, but I guarantee you he has value.

 

[thephoenixson28]

What about Bledsoe And a pick for Derrick Rose

 

[JCSunsfan]

What about Bledsoe And a pick for Derrick Rose

Rose might be done.

 

[GatorAZ]

What about Bledsoe And a pick for Derrick Rose

Why would we be giving the pick?

 

[thephoenixson28]

I'm just throwing traded out there. What's going on with rose?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm just throwing traded out there. What's going on with rose?

He can't physically play anymore. Bledsoe alone has more value than Rose.

 

[slinslin]

No, it's because he has good mechanics and scouts project him as a floor spacing forward at the next level. I don't know if they're right but that seems to be the thinking of all the reports I've come across. And you don't have to shoot 3's to space the court, long 2's will do it too. Unfortunately it's a very low percentage play in the NBA and Ellenson appears to be fond of it.

Marquese Chriss 57% 2s, 35% 3s
Henry Ellenson 44.6% 2s, 29% 3s

Marquese Chriss is a better shooter than Ellenson. Better athlete, better ball handler, better finisher, runs the floor better..