Kyler Murray entering Draft

[POISON]

Let someone else buy into midget QB
Hype.Cards have a QB.Some midget QB who excelled in the defense poor Big 12 gets a big eff no from me.Show me a list of all the 5'9 to 5'10 QBs who had NFL success and where worthy of the number 1 pick.

I 'm not a Murray fan, but he'd definitely be an upgrade from Rosen. Dude is going to be a bust.

 

[POISON]

Ridiculous. Anybody who watched an OU game this past year will know that you're just trolling now BW52.

The above 2018 performance you describe allowed Murray to rip the Heisman out of tua tagovailoa's ESPN-supported death-grip? No.

It's like POISON's posts last year for Mayfield. It really sounds like you have a personal dislike for the kid.

Mayfield was impressive this year, I give him credit. He's a pompous punk though. I'd rather have your boy Murray than Rosen though, I think he's going to be a bust.

 

[DVontel]

Mayfield was impressive this year, I give him credit. He's a pompous punk though. I'd rather have your boy Murray than Rosen though, I think he's going to be a bust.

All better than Mason Rudolph.

 

[DVontel]

Can’t believe this hit 26 pages & counting.

 

[POISON]

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Just kidding. Love the commitment.

OMG, I know the guy on the right lol

 

[POISON]

All better than Mason Rudolph.

A lot of Steeler fans are clamoring for Rudolph to play some this year as Big Ben is jealous of the kid. You watch, when he gets his shot he'll be big time.

 

[elindholm]

And the awesome thing is, is that you can extrapolate that highlight reel out to entire games, and that gives you a sense of how the kid played all season. QBR of 199.2. Historic.

lol

Oh, wait, you weren't joking?

 

[TJ]

It would be nice to be sure the Cardinals have their QBOTF on their roster.

If the Cardinals miss on a lineman (whatever) with the #1 pick they will recover.

However, if the Cardinals don't have their quarterback they will be hurting for years.

If there is a chance Murray can be that guy, the Cardinals will be kicking themselves if they pass on him.

I'm not saying Rosen can't be that guy but why chance it.

Because you have so many other holes and priorities elsewhere on the team; and despite people buying into an obvious hype video by KK, Murray is far from a sure bet.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It would be nice to be sure the Cardinals have their QBOTF on their roster.

Mayfield was impressive this year, I give him credit. He's a pompous punk though. I'd rather have your boy Murray than Rosen though, I think he's going to be a bust.

Appreciate the props for the OU players man, and best of luck to Rudolph unless he's playing ARZ.

 

[TJ]

It’s Doncic vs Ayton all over again. The Suns chose safe...... pedestrian..... NBA past.


I fear the Cards will do the same. Tall pocket passer vs The possible future of the position.

Even Igor vs KK is similar. I’m sure Igor wanted Luka and KK, while saying the right things in the media, quietly is advocating for a player like KM.

And yet Ayton is still very productive and has the higher ceiling, but is stuck playing in a broken offense run by a coach in over his head and garbage at point guard. Luka wouldn’t have as much success in Phoenix as he’s having in Dallas because of the better talent and far superior coaching surrounding him.

Same phenomenon in Arizona. Mayfield isn’t having the same season in Arizona as he had in Cleveland last season. He had better talent at WR and o-line and had better play callers than Josh had.

This entire thread is basically people taking an obvious hype video for more than what it is while ignoring the obvious deficiencies on last season’s team that plagued Rosen’s development. The only real debate should be whether or not we stand pat at #1.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nope.

Starting defensive lineman for the Patriots in the upcoming superbowl

Brown = 6 2
Flowers 6 2
Lawrence 6 4


Starting D line for Alabama in CFP game

Raekwon Davis = 6 7
Isaiah buggs = 6 5
Quinnen Williams = 6 4


Next argument please.

Lol at insignificant data set. Cmon.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And yet Ayton is still very productive and has the higher ceiling, but is stuck playing in a broken offense run by a coach in over his head and garbage at point guard. Luka wouldn’t have as much success in Phoenix as he’s having in Dallas because of the better talent and far superior coaching surrounding him.

Same phenomenon in Arizona. Mayfield isn’t having the same season in Arizona as he had in Cleveland last season. He had better talent at WR and o-line and had better play callers than Josh had.

This entire thread is basically people taking an obvious hype video for more than what it is while ignoring the obvious deficiencies on last season’s team that plagued Rosen’s development. The only real debate should be whether or not we stand pat at #1.

Dude you’re way off if you most of us formed our opinion of Murray based off a hype vid. Kid had an outrageous year. Watching him play was mesmerizing. And the objective write-ups on him paint quite a tantalizing picture. Trubisky went #2 with only a year starting experience. If Murray was even just Trubisky’s height he’d be no brainer #1.

Caveat: the baseball thing being an obvious consideration that would have to be vetted out with him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Man I think your shade is clouding your perceptions. If the dude was 6’3 and didn’t have baseball I think there’s little doubt he’d be #1.

And if your aunt had a...

 

[BW52]

I 'm not a Murray fan, but he'd definitely be an upgrade from Rosen. Dude is going to be a bust.

Bullcrap nonsense.Until Cards get a real OLine and capable WRS and decent coaching its premature to judge Rosen .

 

[BW52]

Dude you’re way off if you most of us formed our opinion of Murray based off a hype vid. Kid had an outrageous year. Watching him play was mesmerizing. And the objective write-ups on him paint quite a tantalizing picture. Trubisky went #2 with only a year starting experience. If Murray was even just Trubisky’s height he’d be no brainer #1.

Caveat: the baseball thing being an obvious consideration that would have to be vetted out with him.

Fact of the matter is that he isn`t 6`0 and isn`t likely to grow 3 inches before the draft is he?

 

[Dr. Jones]

The best available height we have until the combine is 5'9' 7/8ths. Basically 5'10"


https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/01/17/kyler-murray-height-nfl-draft-acc-mailbag

The concern over Murray’s height feels unnecessary. I realize there is a reason the NFL hasn’t been overrun with sub-six-foot quarterbacks, but his combination of arm strength and mobility should negate any concerns about his height as he decides whether to play professional football or baseball. The “HE CAN’T SEE OVER THE LINE” crowd hasn’t paid much attention to how football actually works.

Our O'line in a nutshell:

Also, his mobility makes him better equipped than most giant quarterbacks when protection breaks down.

Let's see what his measurables are at the combine (if he goes). Like I have said before..... I think his shuttles are going to be some of the best ever measured at the position. Imagine a 5'10" version of Tarik Cohen with the pocket awareness and arm strength of Michael Vick.

Also.... The best 20 yd shuttle times in the past 12 years are between 3.81 & 3.95. No QB has been below 3.98. Imagine if he is in that 3.90 range. Could make things very interesting.

Best 3 cone is a 6.55 for QB's. He could run a 6.45 I think.

And all of that will matter in the NFL when the pocket collapses. Like ours has each year this century.

 

[Mainstreet]

Because you have so many other holes and priorities elsewhere on the team; and despite people buying into an obvious hype video by KK, Murray is far from a sure bet.

Unless the Cardinals trade down, the number 1 pick will fill only one hole.

The reason I'm talking about Murray or drafting any quarterback early is because the quarterback position is so important.

If Haskins was worthy of the top pick I would be raising the same points.

Unless a team is sure they have their future quarterback on the roster I think they have to think quarterback first if one is worthy of that pick.

I'm open to other thoughts. Maybe Haskins might be that guy.

 

[TJ]

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This is a good point. Almost every top QB in this class has a fatal flaw in their game that’s going to get nit-picked to death.

 

[Mainstreet]

Appreciate the props for the OU players man, and best of luck to Rudolph unless he's playing ARZ.

I only want to make sure the Cardinals have their future quarterback on the roster. IMO, the Cardinals should keep an open mind about drafting a quarterback if there is a smidgen of doubt about Rosen. If there is a quarterback the Cardinals like early, they should be looking at him.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I only want to make sure the Cardinals have their future quarterback on the roster. IMO, the Cardinals should keep an open mind about drafting a quarterback if there is a smidgen of doubt about Rosen. If there is a quarterback the Cardinals like early, they should be looking at him.

Agree.

Tell me mainstreet. Is it the dumbest idea in the world to draft Murray, and then let him and Rosen, you know, compete for the starting role?

I know that's a lot of draft capital for one position, but isn't the QB spot worth it?

 

[Mainstreet]

Agree.

Tell me mainstreet. Is it the dumbest idea in the world to draft Murray, and then let him and Rosen, you know, compete for the starting role?

I know that's a lot of draft capital for one position, but isn't the QB spot worth it?

I have no problem giving Rosen competition for the starting quarterback spot.

The quarterback position is worth it but only if there is a player worthy of the pick. Personally I like adding another quarterback in the draft and if Murray is that player so be it.

Where we may differ, I'm open to drafting another quarterback besides Murray if the Cardinals like him more and not necessarily with the number 1 pick.

 

[JeffGollin]

It all boils down to how the new coaches view Rosen and how they view Murray. Do they feel Murray is signicantly better than Rosen? Or whether he can at least give Josh a run for his money? Or...is there some wild card QB out there that K2 likes more than Murray or Rosen?

Or...is there a non-QB draftee who knocks everyone's socks off or convinces the coaches he can help the team more than Murray?

We can speculate all we want but it's all about coaches, scouts, players and football...i.e. mainly stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Chopper0080]

Here is where I stand. If I can get a productive college QB whose main deficiency is outlier size and limited snaps in the 3rd round, I take him even with Rosen on the roster. However, I'm not touching a player like that any earlier with Rosen on the roster.

And for those who bring up Russ Wilson. He had 4 years of starting experience to look at out of two separate systems.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Unless the Cardinals trade down, the number 1 pick will fill only one hole.

The reason I'm talking about Murray or drafting any quarterback early is because the quarterback position is so important.

If Haskins was worthy of the top pick I would be raising the same points.

Unless a team is sure they have their future quarterback on the roster I think they have to think quarterback first if one is worthy of that pick.

I'm open to other thoughts. Maybe Haskins might be that guy.

On every mock draft I've seen, your boy is the 3rd. or 4th QB off the board and, frankly, no one can speak with any certainty after the first season of a 21 year old on a team beset with O-line problems.

Don't believe me? Ask the Rams.

 

[TJ]

Agree.

Tell me mainstreet. Is it the dumbest idea in the world to draft Murray, and then let him and Rosen, you know, compete for the starting role?

I know that's a lot of draft capital for one position, but isn't the QB spot worth it?

And if Murray doesn’t beat out Rosen, which is very likely, you just burned the #1 pick on a backup QB when you could’ve had a Day 1 impact starter elsewhere on the roster.