Official Offseason Free Agency Thread

[slinslin]

Well the difference between 13M$ starting and 16M$ starting is quiet big.

There will be some teams sweating right now and Amare will be happy. Gay staying with the Grizz for 81.6M$. Joe Johnson staying with the Hawks for 120M$.

Conclusion Amare will get paid by someone.

 

[Ronin]

way too math in this thread.

 

[joshstmarie]

JJ is getting ridiculously overpaid too. And if Frye thinks he's getting better than 5/25M he's out of his mind. Nash & Amare are the only reason he played so well this year. He will not do as well anywhere else and I'm surprised he doesn't know it.

I agree they are both getting overpaid but like I said, small market teams dont have a choice.
I do agree with you on the frye price though, I wouldnt go over 5/25 I think its a probably a good deal for everyone.
Gotta say though I cant blame frye for waiting on chicago.. If LBJ goes there and then offers fry close to what we are.. can you blame him for going to a championship contender?

 

[joshstmarie]

Conclusion Amare will get paid by someone.

Agreed, Amare if officially worth the super max...the whole shibang. Well not to us but you know what I mean.

 

[taz02]

How about an Amare for Dirk swap? We'd still have the MLE. I still find it extremely odd that Dirk opted out. Is there a financial advantage that would cause Dirk to opt out?

 

[Gaddabout]

Offensively there would be a dropoff - no question. However, there would likely be an improvement defensively and in rebounding with an any replacement.

You know what they call teams who play OK defense but have limited paint scoring?

Lottery teams.

For all of Stoudemire's faults, he still does one thing that's probably the most difficult to acquire in a single player, and that's score in the paint. Defensive big men are only valuable when they're accompanied by another big who can score. You can always find rebounding and defensive specialists at the 4 with limited scoring ability. That describes most of the PF projects drafted in the first round the last 20 years.

So, sure, the Suns will probably improve defensively at the position with Stoudemire gone, but they will undoubtedly be a lesser team.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I still find it extremely odd that Dirk opted out. Is there a financial advantage that would cause Dirk to opt out?

Absolutely. He can trade his one (or two, not sure about his deal) year deal for a 4 or 5 year deal.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You know what they call teams who play OK defense but have limited paint scoring?

Lottery teams.

For all of Stoudemire's faults, he still does one thing that's probably the most difficult to acquire in a single player, and that's score in the paint. Defensive big men are only valuable when they're accompanied by another big who can score. You can always find rebounding and defensive specialists at the 4 with limited scoring ability. That describes most of the PF projects drafted in the first round the last 20 years.

So, sure, the Suns will probably improve defensively at the position with Stoudemire gone, but they will undoubtedly be a lesser team.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

 

[taz02]

Absolutely. He can trade his one (or two, not sure about his deal) year deal for a 4 or 5 year deal.

What would the difference be with just signing an extension?

 

[Irish]

What would the difference be with just signing an extension?

Having a bunch of teams court a player is just plain fun and a huge ego boost.

 

[taz02]

Having a bunch of teams court a player is just plain fun and a huge ego boost.

That's it? What if he gets in a car wreck, suffers a stroke or tears an ACL going down the stairs. Seems stupid just so you can travel around and get courted by a bunch of dusty old men.

There has to be something else. Maybe Cuban is not offering him the max.I seem to remember a similar situation with Cuban low balling one of his guys. Also, the Mavs have been disappointing recently...............

 

[SunsTzu]

What would the difference be with just signing an extension?

Opting out gives him an additional year. If he didn't opt out he could only get 4 year extension plus the remaining year of his current contract. If he signs a new contract he can sign for 6 years.

 

[slinslin]

Gambo says the backup plan to Amare is signing Amir Johnson or Hakim Warrick to a one year deal and the backup plan to Frye is signing Brian Cook.

WTF

Just rebuild this, I don't want to watch a single game next season if we keep Nash etc and replace Amare with that.

I'd be fine with Amir Johnson as he is just 22 years old and still has lots of potential but please there is no need to keep Nash around then and win a meaningless 40 games.

And that the Suns want Scola, Buddinger and a first round pick from Houston for Amare in a sign and trade.

 

[hsandhu]

No one posted this latest bucher headline?:

"Source: Stoudemire long shot to return to Suns"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5346148

 

[slinslin]

Frye wants 5yrs/32M$.

BYE!

Suns better not pay that insanity.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Gambo reporting on twitter it will take the fll mid level to keep Frye with the Suns...

This backs up previous reports with what is happending...

Hopefully what this means:

Peace out Frye, enjoy NY again!

If we give Channing freakin Frye a 5 year 34 million dollar deal I just may officially be done with the Suns, that is a LUDICRIOUS contract for a 6'11 SG.. (who went 1-22 in a series)

Walk away Sarver, do not compound your ridiculous basketball moves by overpaying for a 6'11 player who can't rebound, defend, or pass.

 

[SunsTzu]

Cook would be a better option than Frye anyway imo. Especially since he shouldn't cost anywhere near as much.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's it? What if he gets in a car wreck, suffers a stroke or tears an ACL going down the stairs. Seems stupid just so you can travel around and get courted by a bunch of dusty old men.

There has to be something else. Maybe Cuban is not offering him the max.I seem to remember a similar situation with Cuban low balling one of his guys. Also, the Mavs have been disappointing recently...............

if i recall correctly it also gives the mavs some additional flexibility somehow to sign other FAs in sign and trades. somehow. don't remember where i read it.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'd be fine with Amir Johnson as he is just 22 years old and still has lots of potential but please there is no need to keep Nash around then and win a meaningless 40 games.

And that the Suns want Scola, Buddinger and a first round pick from Houston for Amare in a sign and trade.

I'd love to do the Houston trade and pick up Amir Johnson. ESPN blurb about Johnson:

Amir Johnson
He's 23 years old and had a better player efficiency rating than All-Star Chris Kaman this past season. He had the best pick-and-roll numbers of any NBA player not named Dwight Howard. He was one of four players to average a steal and 1.5 blocks per 36 minutes. He's a former McDonald's All-American and cleaned up the glass better than Andrew Bynum and Kevin Garnett. And yet, despite the accolades, most people have never heard of him.

At 6-foot-9, Johnson played backup to Chris Bosh in Toronto and did the dirty work for the 40-win squad this past season. Offensively, he's a putback machine and understands his low ceiling as a scorer. He's the team-first warrior whom every playoff team needs. Stick him in a Glen Davis-type role for a contending team, and everyone will know his name.

 

[jandaman]

Im happy with Amir Johnson taking the "enforcer" backup C/PF when Stoudemire gets traded/leave. He is very young, and potential to turn into Ben Wallace lite or even a taller Danny Fortson but not so crazy.


Frye at 32 Million 5 years is crazy.... 25 was fair..
So let him go and sign Cook for LLE.

Suns BETTER get a prospect from the Stoudemire trade.

- Houston: Scola + Battier + 1st round pick (I'm okay with)
- Houston: Scola + Hill + 1st round pick (I'm okay with, but Houston needs bigs if Scola leaves)

- Houston: Scola + Budinger + 1st pick (I'm okay with, Suns liked Budinger, will Houston do it?)



- Miami: Beasley + 2 future first picks Unprotected (nothing less)


- Chicago: Needs a 3 way... Suns need Gibson coming back + another prospect and 1st picks.



- Nets: T.Williams + 1st picks OR Favors OR Bust.



- Knicks: TPE or a 10-12 Million a year David Lee....

 

[AzStevenCal]

Frye at 32 Million 5 years is crazy.... 25 was fair.

I'm one of the few Frye fans on this board and even I think 32 mil is too much. 5 year/25 million was the most I'd be willing to spend on the guy unless the coaching staff really believes they can solidify his defense and rebounding (and I doubt that).

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Just got a tweet from Gambo that the Suns will NOT meet Frye's demand for 5/32.

 

[SunsTzu]

Just got a tweet from Gambo that the Suns will NOT meet Frye's demand for 5/32.

Hopefully they pull their current offer and pursue other FAs as well.

 

[SunsTzu]

Being reported that Amir Johnson just signed with Raptors for full MLE. So I guess Warrick is the back up plan now.

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems as more time goes on the Suns may not have a plan "B." Frye is not worth a 5/32 contract and Amare may indeed go elsewhere. The Suns may have to go to 3rd tier players to fill the gaps. This is not looking good. The Suns should now actively pursue other players. It blooks like Sarver is just being used for leverage.