Who is the Star the Suns could get or event want?

[elindholm]

Is there any indication that Monroe could be available so cheaply?

 

[Suns_fan69]

Without looking at their cap situation more clearly, I would venture to guess that Detroit will have to make a decision soon between Drummond and Monroe. I would think they'd want to keep Monroe over Drummond but I haven't seen them play a whole lot to know which makes more sense for them.

 

[elindholm]

Without looking at their cap situation more clearly, I would venture to guess that Detroit will have to make a decision soon between Drummond and Monroe.

I don't see any cap problems for Detroit at all.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/detroit.htm

 

[sunsfan88]

Monroe-Drummond hasn't worked out that great for them. Josh Smith is the better PF for the team and their fans have been saying all along that Monroe is a C not a PF.

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Also, I think Detroit prefers Drummond over Monroe cause Drummond has the higher ceiling.

 

[SirStefan32]

Is there any indication that Monroe could be available so cheaply?

I don't think he'll be cheap, and I can see Detroit not matching a huge offer. He'll be looking for a similar deal Bledsoe will want. The question is how much the Suns would offer and not be screwed if Detroit didn't match.

If the Suns give Monroe and Bledsoe for $10M-$12M per year each, they won't really be able to add any other significant pieces, so the question is whether our current lineup+ Monroe will be enough to be a contender. To me, the answer is no, unless Len and Archie develop into good players. Monroe is still a youngster, so he may still get better.

 

[elindholm]

If the Suns give Monroe and Bledsoe for $10M-$12M per year each, they won't really be able to add any other significant pieces, so the question is whether our current lineup+ Monroe will be enough to be a contender. To me, the answer is no

The answer to me is no * 1000. The current lineup plus Monroe screams fifty-and-fade.

 

[SirStefan32]

The answer to me is no * 1000. The current lineup plus Monroe screams fifty-and-fade.

Agreed. If Bledsoe and Dragic keep getting better, Len develops into a decent Center, and you add a couple of deadly sharp-shooters who can also defend, I can see them contending, but that is a LOT of "ifs".

 

[sunsfan88]

If the Suns give Monroe and Bledsoe for $10M-$12M per year each, they won't really be able to add any other significant pieces, so the question is whether our current lineup+ Monroe will be enough to be a contender. To me, the answer is no, unless Len and Archie develop into good players. Monroe is still a youngster, so he may still get better.

If Bledsoe develops into the superstar that he's projected to be and Monroe can become a borderline AS player, then why not? Especially if we have guys like Dragic still around them.

Plus, like you said, Monroe is only 23 years old. He's still going to get better, he's not even close to his ceiling yet.

 

[SirStefan32]

If Bledsoe develops into the superstar that he's projected to be and Monroe can become a borderline AS player, then why not? Especially if we have guys like Dragic still around them.

Plus, like you said, Monroe is only 23 years old. He's still going to get better, he's not even close to his ceiling yet.

That's a lot of "ifs".

 

[JCSunsfan]

Agreed. If Bledsoe and Dragic keep getting better, Len develops into a decent Center, and you add a couple of deadly sharp-shooters who can also defend, I can see them contending, but that is a LOT of "ifs".

I agree. YOu have to stick with a plan. If McD really believes in Len, he needs to stick with him. He is extremely young for a big man and has not had a summer league or training camp. This year should be for getting adjusted some and let next year be his real rookie year.

Any moves have to be clear moves forward. No sideways tweaking.

 

[Mainstreet]

The answer to me is no * 1000. The current lineup plus Monroe screams fifty-and-fade.

Those look like the good old days now... fifty wins. Just for the sake of clarification, I'm not pushing to get any particular player. There are not many obtainable players out there that excite me.

 

[elindholm]

Those look like the good old days now... fifty wins.

Yeah, I could never understand why most of this board was so anxious to dismantle a team that "only" won 55 games and contended for at least the conference finals every season. Now we look at a roster whose ceiling might be 2/3 that high and get all excited.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah, I could never understand why most of this board was so anxious to dismantle a team that "only" won 55 games and contended for at least the conference finals every season. Now we look at a roster whose ceiling might be 2/3 that high and get all excited.

Because message board fans love change/trades/and over-achievers. Its all about expectations.

 

[devilalum]

IMO part of the reason there aren't any great ideas is that there are only a handful of players in the league that would make the Suns a contender even if they could be had.

Outside of LeBron and Durant how many guys are there that would make the Suns instant legit contenders?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Among the 17 SF's who have who've played 900+ minutes this year, Hayward is below average in virtually every category except assists... and he's trying his best to inflate his stats. Thats not a max player in my book. Outside of assists, Thaddeus Young tops him across the board by a good margin.

I'd love for someone to make a strong argument as to why Hayward deserves 10 mil per year, let alone a max deal. Teams don't win championships by overpaying good talent.

 

[sunsfan88]

That's a lot of "ifs".

It's expectations. McD expected Bledsoe and Len to be that good so I'm just trusting him and hoping he's right.

 

[JustWinBaby]

IMO part of the reason there aren't any great ideas is that there are only a handful of players in the league that would make the Suns a contender even if they could be had.

Outside of LeBron and Durant how many guys are there that would make the Suns instant legit contenders?

I was thinking about the same thing. There just isn't anyone available to make us a contender by themselves.

I think we need to add someone on the wing that can take in to the hole and shares the ball. We do not need to add just another jump shooter. Our build will be done piece by piece. I just don't see that one guy to turn us into a legit winner.

We really play far too much one on one and shoot far too many threes. Cleaning up that part of the offense should be our biggest priority. Our rebounding is also below par and must be fixed.

We are who we are but are fun to watch, thank goodness.

 

[Suns_fan69]

A little more validation to the Drummond/Monroe/Smith frontcourt issues: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-pistons-shouldnt-be-this-bad/

The article also suggests that Monroe is available, but that he'd likely be looking for a max extension (who isn't?). Not sure if he's worth it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was thinking about the same thing. There just isn't anyone available to make us a contender by themselves.

I think we need to add someone on the wing that can take in to the hole and shares the ball. We do not need to add just another jump shooter. Our build will be done piece by piece. I just don't see that one guy to turn us into a legit winner.

We really play far too much one on one and shoot far too many threes. Cleaning up that part of the offense should be our biggest priority. Our rebounding is also below par and must be fixed.

We are who we are but are fun to watch, thank goodness.

agreed. this team needs to build like Portland/Indy has. with great drafting and solid FA acquisitions that don't bust their cap.

 

[Errntknght]

What I fear most are rash moves. I'm convinced that if Bledsoe comes back healthy and wants to stay with the Suns we already have most of the major pieces we need. It will take time but Len will join Plumlee to give us solid interior defense and rebounding plus decent post scoring and Goodwin will provide scoring from the wing and decent D.

I started the year thinking that the Morrises plus Frye would ensure a good lottery pick but they surprised me, along with Plumlee. That is fading fast, except for Plum, and I'm back to thinking they are not quite good enough for subs on a contending team. Their defense and rebounding are too weak and they are not reliable scorers, not that they don't have their good games. To tell the truth, I'm almost glad their scoring has proved to be a shallow skill because I'd hate to have put up with their weak R & D - you can't dominate by fastbreaking without being solid in those categories all the time.

 

[PhxGametime]

What I fear most are rash moves. I'm convinced that if Bledsoe comes back healthy and wants to stay with the Suns we already have most of the major pieces we need. It will take time but Len will join Plumlee to give us solid interior defense and rebounding plus decent post scoring and Goodwin will provide scoring from the wing and decent D.

I started the year thinking that the Morrises plus Frye would ensure a good lottery pick but they surprised me, along with Plumlee. That is fading fast, except for Plum, and I'm back to thinking they are not quite good enough for subs on a contending team. Their defense and rebounding are too weak and they are not reliable scorers, not that they don't have their good games. To tell the truth, I'm almost glad their scoring has proved to be a shallow skill because I'd hate to have put up with their weak R & D - you can't dominate by fastbreaking without being solid in those categories all the time.

Rebounding?? Larry Sanders, Ersan Ilyasova, and Gary Neal; for Morrii, Emeka Okafor, and a couple 1st Rounders?? Heh

Though I'm starting to think Suns will wait for offseason deal.

 

[slinslin]

Why would we waste our caproom on Larry Sanders and Ilyasova, they make a lot of money.

And you want to throw in first rounders for that?

 

[PhxGametime]

I put about 5 minute thought on idea lol but since you're asking if I would waste our cap room on mentioned players, I'll just say my ideal Trade would be for DeMar DeRozan. Hayward, I still have interest but why Hayward (at 10-13 Million) when DeRozan comes cheaper at $9.5 prorated!

Not sure the Suns will make Trade after bad road trip - the Suns were 1 game away from 4th place in West but have dropped to 7th.

DeRozan can run/jump with best of them; can shoot, drive, post a small, draw fouls, and is improving his passing ability. I worry big SF's could overpower him but Teams have thus far have not answered small backcourt and adding DeRozan at the 3 could make Suns even harder to guard. Tucker off bench could get plenty of minutes against the LeBron's, Durant's, etc. of NBA. DeRozan has Gerald Green like athleticism...

 

[devilalum]

This guy makes an argument that the Suns should target Noah.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/533953/20140113/joakim-noah-trade-bulls-rumors.htm#.UuaogNLn_cs

 

[devilalum]

Suns have reportedly inquired about Noah

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/seven...efore-the-february-20th-nba-trade-deadline/#5