I have this sinking feeling that Peyton always wanted to go to Denver and that he took this meeting and is thinking about Arizona out of respect for Whiz.
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And I think he wanted AZ and took the Denver trip out of respect for Elway as Archie's golfing buddy.
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i think if he picks Denver (and for the record I grew up a DIE HARD Bronco fan as a kid, my father worked for the Broncos) it will be about more than football and winning a championship..
You can't convince me that Denver has a better roster to win a championship than the Cardinals, I do not buy that for a second.
But if MAnnign chooses it based on other factors such as developing a relationship with Elway for after football like Elway says he will mentor Manning for a GM job or something to that effect, I can buy that..
But if he does choose Denver he better please spare us the "They give me the best chance to win a championship" line because that will be garbage...
You can't convince me that Denver has a better roster to win a championship than the Cardinals, I do not buy that for a second.
But if MAnnign chooses it based on other factors such as developing a relationship with Elway for after football like Elway says he will mentor Manning for a GM job or something to that effect, I can buy that..
But if he does choose Denver he better please spare us the "They give me the best chance to win a championship" line because that will be garbage...
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while I agree with "Denver does not have better roster to win a championship than the Cardinals", they do have 40M+ they can use to upgrade their roster immediately. Our "cheap" Cardinals have the highest payroll and are over the cap.
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The worst division in football, a good running game and a very good defense. I think he can choose Denver and still say it was about winning. I like what we have to offer better but I'm a bit biased. The one thing they have that really has me worried about this is that he can make it to the Super Bowl without stopping his brother from doing the same. Of course, I don't know if that's really important to him or if it's just another of those reasons that the media has pulled out of thin air.
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And Denver fans are probably thinking the same thing about the Cardinals, except they use baseless statements such as AZ lacks legacy, tradition, and fan base. I also take exception to the Klis article that we put on a "dog and pony" show. Country club dinner v. dinner at the HC's house. Bringing in former players to give their sales pitch v. bringing in players with whom he would share the field. While I don't think either team did any schmoozing, it's ridiculous to assert that we used grotesque tactics to lure Manning to the desert.
The bottom line is both teams were 8-8 and competent QB play away from being great teams. It boils down to the team and location with which he feels most comfortable. I liked our approach. Denver's approach was fair as well.
Let the chips fall where they may, but I hope they fall through the UofP roof.
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Has anyone heard of the release of Levi Brown yet? His roster bonus was due today.
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Yeah, I keep wondering how important this actually is. Frankly, the reality is that Eli has two Super Bowl rings. Peyton has only one. Shouldn't it be Eli who's worried about depriving his big brother?
I mean, the only NFC East team the Cardinals play this season is the Eagles, anyway. Peyton could help Eli there with a win.
I was wondering about that myself. Brown's situation has been lost in the storm over Manning. Not a word from Somers or anyone else the last week or so.
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On NFL.com they have the arrow pointing down now on the Cards and now the Titans are going to get a visit. If he visits Tennessee we are toast because we have the Kolb bonus.
The way they have it portrayed Arizona is not looking good. In my opinion that is dumb. If Peyton is dumb enough to sign with Denver or Tenness(more sense) he isn't very smart. The only good thing in this if Manning really can't take a hit and signing him would have doomed us.
The way they have it portrayed Arizona is not looking good. In my opinion that is dumb. If Peyton is dumb enough to sign with Denver or Tenness(more sense) he isn't very smart. The only good thing in this if Manning really can't take a hit and signing him would have doomed us.
We have until 3/17 (or 16) to make the Kolb decision.
If I were the Cardinals, I would say I were moving in a different direction and can't wait around. Set a deadline of tomorrow sometime. Then if he wants to be here, he hurries up, it not, we look like the smart ones by not being second fiddle.
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Why? We don't have any deadline other than Kolb's bonus on either 3/16 or 3/17, which Peyton was no doubt made very aware of.
There's a time for hardball, but when you try to play hardball in a tee-ball game, you look like a bad guy. This is a tee-ball game. Peyton is going to choose the team he wants, and if he wants us he knows about the bonus timeframe for Kolb and will take it into account. Trying to force his hand doesn't endear him to us.
It isn't like we are going to go after a different QB in FA and he's holding us up...it's him or Kolb.
You are right, but my only worry is, if we are waiting around and cut players to clear the room, it would be nice to go after better players early, rather than later. Of course, I am not a gambler and like the sure thing.
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Playing hardball with Peyton seems counter-productive to me. If we're that worried about image we can just wait till he calls us to decline and then rush to the podium with our prepared statement about never wanting him anyway.
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There's a difference between playing hard-ball and doing whatever it takes to do what's right by your football team roster-wise.
There may come a point of no return/fish or cut bait moment where the Cards may have to move on and, before doing so, post one final "the train is leaving the station" comment.
That's not playing hardball; that's being real.
There may come a point of no return/fish or cut bait moment where the Cards may have to move on and, before doing so, post one final "the train is leaving the station" comment.
That's not playing hardball; that's being real.
Manning already knows where that point in time is. It's the hour before Kolb is due his money or his walking papers.
Do you think that there is ANY chance PM doesn't know their cut bait moment? We know it is Kolb's bonus date.
Throwing out some other s or get off the pot date to him helps is in no way at all.
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NFL.com's "breaking news" has Peyton meeting with Miami's coach, yet their arrow is pointing down. The Cardinals' arrow is pointing down, while Denver's is pointing up, even though he visited both teams and left w/out a contract both times.
IMO, he's meeting with Miami and Tennessee merely out of courtesy to his current city and his college state where he is still revered.
Nobody knows anything at this point except Peyton.
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Sure there is. But there's a difference between informing Peyton of a deadline and making one up with the intent to pressure him. We were responding to the suggestion that we invent a deadline.
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Given the amount of time he spent with the organization and his relationship with Whiz, it seems likely that Peyton will be in touch with the Cardinals before Kolb's bonus is due--even if he's just telling them that he needs more time to make a decision. Then they can proceed knowing the risk. Honestly, if they are doubtful about Kolb, it's almost the perfect pretext to move on anyway.
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Gotcha. I was just clarifying the,issue.
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"If I were Manning, I'd take my talents to the desert. Reason No. 1: Larry Fitzgerald. Reason No. 2: The weather. Reason No. 3: The coaching staff. Reason No. 4: The stadium, with its retractable roof and grass field. Reason No. 5: The division.
And did I mention that the Cardinals have Larry Fitzgerald?
The Cardinals started last season 1-6 but won seven of their last nine games to finish 8-8. They did not quit on the season, which speaks to the character of the guys in the locker room. With all due respect to Kevin Kolb and John Skelton, Manning would make Arizona an immediate contender."
Hey atleast 1 ESPN pundit likes us. Ashley Fox quote
And did I mention that the Cardinals have Larry Fitzgerald?
The Cardinals started last season 1-6 but won seven of their last nine games to finish 8-8. They did not quit on the season, which speaks to the character of the guys in the locker room. With all due respect to Kevin Kolb and John Skelton, Manning would make Arizona an immediate contender."
Hey atleast 1 ESPN pundit likes us. Ashley Fox quote
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